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| | About 90% of the spam seems to go straight to this talk page, so I've protected it until further notice. Please feel free to ask any questions wherever you think is relevant; if it seems like something that should be moved here, heeheehee or I will take care of it! Thanks for your understanding. --[[User:StDoodle|StDoodle (#1059825)]] 14:33, 21 April 2010 (UTC) |
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| == Getting started ==
| | Edit: this protection applies to new & unregistered users only; those who've been around a while can still post here directly if appropriate. |
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| * [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Configuration_settings Configuration settings list]
| | :How long is someone required to be registered before they can edit a protected page? --[[User:Bale|Bale]] 03:41, 22 April 2010 (UTC) |
| * [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:FAQ MediaWiki FAQ]
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| * [http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mediawiki-announce MediaWiki release mailing list]
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| == Wiki layout... ==
| | ::Looks like... [http://wiki.fishcakesmedia.com/MediaWiki_User_Management#Restrict_page_creation 4 days]? (Man, that took a while to find something even remotely relevant) --[[User:Heeheehee|Heeheehee]] 04:00, 22 April 2010 (UTC) |
| | ::Clarification: Presumably these use the same counter. |
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| We really should consider exactly how to lay out the wiki... We should probably see how others (especially the KoL wiki) do it and take inspiration... :)
| | Huh, never noticed this edit. I'd thought I'd protected this page so that only admins could edit it, but I guess not. Seems to have worked anyway, though, so... yippee? --[[User:StDoodle|StDoodle (#1059825)]] 12:01, 14 July 2010 (UTC) |
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| Also, I'm thinking we should eventually have a page for each function, to make searching the wiki more valuable... :)
| | Edit; nevermind, I'm an idiot. Looooong day. :P --[[User:StDoodle|StDoodle (#1059825)]] 12:01, 14 July 2010 (UTC) |
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| --[[User:Daychilde|Daychilde]] 23:00, 8 January 2007 (CST)
| | ==Quick Links to Help== |
| | The following pages list particular places where we could use some help. |
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| I agree with your idea about one-page-per-function.
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| Also I think every* function's documentation should show a real-world example of use. The links to example scripts are a good start in this direction, but some code to read right on the function page would be nice. (*Yes, even the "you are not cool enough to use this" undocumented stuff.)
| | [[:Category:Request_For_Information]]<br /> |
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| A master ASH function list page would be helpful. When trying to Find a keyword in browser to see if KM implements a given functionality, it's a minor PITA to have to click into each categorized page and search them all individually.
| | (rewritten & updated) --[[User:StDoodle|StDoodle (#1059825)]] 15:17, 13 March 2010 (UTC) |
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| Also welcome would be some kind of icon, color, or other indicator for newly-added functions. Master list sorted/sortable by implementation version/date if possible.
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| Also, on the subject of general layout/UI improvements (since you asked): for the main page, I prefer a high-level bulleted-listy index/ToC, kinda like the ToCs on the current sourceforge manual pages. Personally, I find this more useful than the increasingly popular "widgety-portaly-stocks-news-and-weather" look.
| | I plan to remove the "Pardon our dust" etc. from the main page soon; I feel we've brought this place up to a reasonably-functional level, and while I'm certainly planning on continuing work on it, I don't think we need the "Under Construction" connotation at this point. |
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| Redundancy should be removed wherever possible -- e.g. (ASHRM) in front of every link. I understand if prefixes of that sort are there to assist in organizing the underlying database, but if not, I think they are totally unnecessary and a distraction -- that is, provided the containing page is appropriately identified with a nice big "ASH Reference Manual" heading at the top, breadcrumbs, etc.
| | Change will be made very soon unless a compelling argument is made against. --[[User:StDoodle|StDoodle (#1059825)]] 13:28, 13 April 2010 (UTC) |
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| I'll quit before I arrive at a frenzy of usability fanaticism the likes of which would make J. Nielsen repent like a dirty sinner. (Got work to do, actually. Now maybe if there was a "job opportunities" section.......)
| | *Sounds good to me. Progress level is almost always going UP now. ^_^ --[[User:Bale|Bale]] 01:07, 14 April 2010 (UTC) |
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| --[[User:somebody who sincerely appreciates not having to register/login and probably wouldn't participate elsewise]] 12:35, 30 January 2007 (EST) | | Yup, though I'm not sure I want to list it at all in the near future... I dunno. Also, check out [[User:StDoodle/FakeMain]] for my oh-so-close attempts at dynamic sub-lists... wee! --[[User:StDoodle|StDoodle (#1059825)]] 02:57, 14 April 2010 (UTC) |
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| On the other hand, speed-bumping idiot apammers may be worth it. I could go on for ages about how offensive I find that kind of griefing (If you think life isn't a game, you're doing it wrong)--[[User:Metraxis|Metraxis]] 11:27, 18 February 2007 (CST)
| | Nice! (It's under "Contributing to the KoLMafia Project", for those who can't find it) --[[User:Heeheehee|Heeheehee]] 03:47, 14 April 2010 (UTC) |
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| == Updating? == | | == Wiki Progress == |
| Let's get started, guys. Soon enough, I'll have a list of all the functions, which I think should go in a wiki page to (as someone above said) search and link. Also, is there a way to do monospacing with code? --[[User:MagiNinjA|MagiNinjA]] 00:35, 29 March 2007 (CDT)
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| :If you need anymore help, just drop me a line on my [[User_talk:Ksumoe|talk page]]. —[[User:Ksumoe|ksumoe]] <sup>([[User_talk:Ksumoe|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Ksumoe|contrib]])</sup> 18:35, 10 April 2007 (CDT)
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| == Ideas... ==
| | Yes, we ([[User:StDoodle|StDoodle]], [[User:fewyn|fewyn]], [[User:Grotfang|Grotfang]], [[User:Alhifar|Alhifar]] & others) have been putting a lot of work into revamping, updating, and polishing this wiki over the last week or so. But the "Progress Level" on the main page is going down. Why? Simple; there was a lot of cruft, a lot of broken links, a lot of abandoned pages, etc. While most of the users mentioned above have been coming up with new content & standards, [[User:fewyn|fewyn]] has used his admin super-powers to get rid of the stuff that really shouldn't be here. Please trust that the number of red links is going down, and the amount of content is going up! |
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| These are my ideas that I have floating around in my head:
| | But we can still use your help! Please lend a hand on any of the following: |
| # A template to put all the relevant information about a function into a table (with proper colored backgrounds and such)
| | * '''Code Samples''': Coming up with sample code that illustrates a given function in a useful way without being overly complicated for the new user is challenging; suggestions & additions that accomplish these goals are in high demand! |
| ## I can do this; I just need to know what information is 'relevant'.
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| # Move this type of discussion to the Community Portal. Right now the CP is just a bunch of links (we can make a 'links' page and add it to the sidebar if needed).
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| # An overhaul of the main page. Someone said that they don't like the 'portal' type of look, but that kind of look has become the ''de facto'' standard for wikis, as it is the most popular. I'll pound out a rough draft on a subpage of my user space.
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| # Creation of a template structure. Templates for requesting deletion, protection, etc. That way non-sysop flagged users can 'tag' pages [[Talk:Bad title|such as this]] for deletion.
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| # Logo! 'Cause we need to be cool like that.
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| # Define a category structure. Do it now before too many pages get created.
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| Like I said... I'm here to help. [[User_talk:Ksumoe|Comments]] <!--or below for that matter--> plox. —[[User:Ksumoe|ksumoe]] <sup>([[User_talk:Ksumoe|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Ksumoe|contrib]])</sup> 21:17, 13 April 2007 (CDT)
| | * '''Unknown Functions''': Quite a few functions are mysterious to me, and possibly others. I have little info on how combat consult functions work, for example. If you can help with a specific function, please add whatever you can to its specific page, talk page, or category page (or use my [[User_talk:StDoodle|Talk Page]]). If you don't feel comfortable with the templating system, don't worry; just add what you can, and someone else can clean it up later. (Note: once the vast majority of pages are set up to standards, I would like to make sure all non-formatted info goes onto discussion pages). |
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| I added some links on the home page -- hope that helps users find more documentation... :) -Daychilde
| | * '''Gruntwork''': There are a LOT of pages to add; if you feel comfortable using the templates provided, please go ahead! See [[:Category:Basic_Templates|Basic Templates]] for a list of templates used for function pages; there should be enough info there to get started, but if not, please join us in the #kolmafia IRC channel or post questions on my [[User_talk:StDoodle|Talk Page]]. |
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| I corrected the Script Repository link to http://www.kolmafia.us from http://www.kolmafia.ua. ;) -Regnar | | Note that while I have plans for expanding some functionality of function pages, they don't interfere with getting the work done now; it's all stuff that can be added-in a line or two at a time once such expansions are made. |
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| == Links to Redirects? ==
| | Note also that, while I've put a bit of work into having an underlying structure for function pages, the rest is rather lacking. Some of the templates could certainly be useful on other pages (CodeSample in particular), but I don't have any "grand plan" for how to organize datatypes, language conventions, etc. But don't worry about it! If the page exists, edit in some more info if it's a subject you're interested in. If you're really hesitant to change what's there, add it to the discussion page for the article. If a page doesn't exist, and you really think it should, don't hesitate to create it. Moving it around later, if deemed necessary, doesn't take any real effort (but do try not to link to a new page from a great deal of places until it's name has been reviewed, please; again, use my [[User_talk:StDoodle|Talk Page]], this page, or IRC if you desire any guidance). |
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| While I understand the need for redirect, why are we linking to redirect pages? Why not use <nowiki>[[Page Title|Displayed Text]]</nowiki> links instead?
| | Also, don't worry about offending me! I may have seemed a bit touchy over the () issue (and I was, but only because of how it impacted FUNCTIONALITY of the wiki), but even then, I'm happier with the eventual compromise than my original plans. And I certainly don't own the place; I'm just trying to help! |
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| | (Updated) --[[User:StDoodle|StDoodle]] 21:39, 2 March 2010 (UTC) |
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| == Protection == | | == Archive == |
| Seriously, protect the front page. This is getting completely destroyed by spam [[User:80.189.248.109|80.189.248.109]] 12:05, 27 August 2007 (CDT)
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| Is $wgSpamRegex set? If not it should be. If it is, it needs updating. Spam storming in like the flood! -divinewind420
| | Note: All discussion from before the edit-extravaganza of 2010 has been moved [[Talk:Main Page/archive|here]]. |
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Protected Status
About 90% of the spam seems to go straight to this talk page, so I've protected it until further notice. Please feel free to ask any questions wherever you think is relevant; if it seems like something that should be moved here, heeheehee or I will take care of it! Thanks for your understanding. --StDoodle (#1059825) 14:33, 21 April 2010 (UTC)
Edit: this protection applies to new & unregistered users only; those who've been around a while can still post here directly if appropriate.
- How long is someone required to be registered before they can edit a protected page? --Bale 03:41, 22 April 2010 (UTC)
- Looks like... 4 days? (Man, that took a while to find something even remotely relevant) --Heeheehee 04:00, 22 April 2010 (UTC)
- Clarification: Presumably these use the same counter.
Huh, never noticed this edit. I'd thought I'd protected this page so that only admins could edit it, but I guess not. Seems to have worked anyway, though, so... yippee? --StDoodle (#1059825) 12:01, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
Edit; nevermind, I'm an idiot. Looooong day. :P --StDoodle (#1059825) 12:01, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
Quick Links to Help
The following pages list particular places where we could use some help.
For more information, please see Help:Editing.
Category:Request_For_Information
Category:Needs_Code_Sample
(rewritten & updated) --StDoodle (#1059825) 15:17, 13 March 2010 (UTC)
2010 April 13
I plan to remove the "Pardon our dust" etc. from the main page soon; I feel we've brought this place up to a reasonably-functional level, and while I'm certainly planning on continuing work on it, I don't think we need the "Under Construction" connotation at this point.
Change will be made very soon unless a compelling argument is made against. --StDoodle (#1059825) 13:28, 13 April 2010 (UTC)
- Sounds good to me. Progress level is almost always going UP now. ^_^ --Bale 01:07, 14 April 2010 (UTC)
Yup, though I'm not sure I want to list it at all in the near future... I dunno. Also, check out User:StDoodle/FakeMain for my oh-so-close attempts at dynamic sub-lists... wee! --StDoodle (#1059825) 02:57, 14 April 2010 (UTC)
Nice! (It's under "Contributing to the KoLMafia Project", for those who can't find it) --Heeheehee 03:47, 14 April 2010 (UTC)
Wiki Progress
Yes, we (StDoodle, fewyn, Grotfang, Alhifar & others) have been putting a lot of work into revamping, updating, and polishing this wiki over the last week or so. But the "Progress Level" on the main page is going down. Why? Simple; there was a lot of cruft, a lot of broken links, a lot of abandoned pages, etc. While most of the users mentioned above have been coming up with new content & standards, fewyn has used his admin super-powers to get rid of the stuff that really shouldn't be here. Please trust that the number of red links is going down, and the amount of content is going up!
But we can still use your help! Please lend a hand on any of the following:
- Code Samples: Coming up with sample code that illustrates a given function in a useful way without being overly complicated for the new user is challenging; suggestions & additions that accomplish these goals are in high demand!
- Unknown Functions: Quite a few functions are mysterious to me, and possibly others. I have little info on how combat consult functions work, for example. If you can help with a specific function, please add whatever you can to its specific page, talk page, or category page (or use my Talk Page). If you don't feel comfortable with the templating system, don't worry; just add what you can, and someone else can clean it up later. (Note: once the vast majority of pages are set up to standards, I would like to make sure all non-formatted info goes onto discussion pages).
- Gruntwork: There are a LOT of pages to add; if you feel comfortable using the templates provided, please go ahead! See Basic Templates for a list of templates used for function pages; there should be enough info there to get started, but if not, please join us in the #kolmafia IRC channel or post questions on my Talk Page.
Note that while I have plans for expanding some functionality of function pages, they don't interfere with getting the work done now; it's all stuff that can be added-in a line or two at a time once such expansions are made.
Note also that, while I've put a bit of work into having an underlying structure for function pages, the rest is rather lacking. Some of the templates could certainly be useful on other pages (CodeSample in particular), but I don't have any "grand plan" for how to organize datatypes, language conventions, etc. But don't worry about it! If the page exists, edit in some more info if it's a subject you're interested in. If you're really hesitant to change what's there, add it to the discussion page for the article. If a page doesn't exist, and you really think it should, don't hesitate to create it. Moving it around later, if deemed necessary, doesn't take any real effort (but do try not to link to a new page from a great deal of places until it's name has been reviewed, please; again, use my Talk Page, this page, or IRC if you desire any guidance).
Also, don't worry about offending me! I may have seemed a bit touchy over the () issue (and I was, but only because of how it impacted FUNCTIONALITY of the wiki), but even then, I'm happier with the eventual compromise than my original plans. And I certainly don't own the place; I'm just trying to help!
All thoughts welcome.
(Updated) --StDoodle 21:39, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
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